Ep. 2 The REAL Meaning of Success in Business

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Hello! Hi! Welcome! Welcome everybody to another episode of The Slow Circle.

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Today we're going to be talking about success, what it means, and redefining success in business,

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which is GC GC. Yes. I feel like we talk about it so much. It comes up in nearly every conversation

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we have with other business owners. It comes up all the time. And I think it's a really important

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topic for business owners and people in business too. Yeah, it just feels like a really important

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conversation to have and to open up and for other people to go away into question. Yeah, well that's

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it. Well, if we're coming back to this concept of slow business and that being a deliberate,

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conscious step-by-step journey, then everything, right? Like what's the end goal? Yeah.

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You're just literally setting out in your car without putting a destination into the satnav.

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Yeah, getting straight on... Yeah, I love that.

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That's beautiful. Figure out what the destination is and then how do we get there?

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So, I guess to start with, maybe we should just say, what does success mean to you?

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Or do you first want to say, what do you think success means to most people or what do people think

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success means? Yeah, I suppose mainstream traditional models of success are growth and profit,

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right? But I mean, it's something that's always really interesting because I feel like people always say,

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oh yeah, would you say your business is successful or I mean, I can't remember how people

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phrase it, but it's always like, is your business a success? Like, and I'm always confused by that.

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Yeah, because I'm like, can you be a bit more specific?

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Right, like, what do you want to know? Because how do you measure success? And how do I measure success?

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And those two might be completely different. So how do I answer that question? I guess you answer it

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from your heart, whether you think it's successful, but yeah, you also, you could be having

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a conversation with someone and you're both having a completely different conversation.

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Right, because immediately when I think of success, like my version of success, I go to the impact

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it has, like what I'm doing with a business I have, like what impact does it have? Yeah, if it's having

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an incredible impact and helping people and like, that to me is success, but is that linked to profit?

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I mean, I guess you need income to be able to exist as a business and then invest into other

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endeavors that can have a further impact. Yeah, but I don't see it as profit as in

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lining my pocket, which I think is the traditional version. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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I think there's just, there's just so many ways to think about success. I mean, is it the number of people

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you employ? Right. Is it the, is it the size of your operation? Is it the amount of SKUs that you have?

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Is it like, you can, yeah, is it your followers on Instagram? Right, right, yeah, where was actually,

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you know, I would personally so much rather have a smaller amount of followers and have them be

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like completely authentic and engaged. Engaged, yeah, people that actually want to talk to you and

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yeah, I think when you apply these like big business principles or what would you say,

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vanity metrics down to real life? Like, yeah, like if you actually applied that to you, oh, I've got

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a hundred thousand friends, but I know, none of them talk to me. I don't care. I'm actually,

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none of them care how, yeah, I think you'd much rather have a small pool of friends that really

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support you and yeah, so that's a kind of interesting way to look at it. But, yeah, I guess,

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thinking about business and success, I think something that's interesting is always to consider

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privilege. Yes. And our backgrounds and it's something that I always try to come back to.

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Yeah. And I think there's a lot of, like people say, oh, yeah, well, I don't know, people kind of

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like to say, well, of course, you're successful because you have this, you know, you've had success before.

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You've had success before or it would be another story of like, yeah, well, your parents were successful.

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So of course, you were going to be successful or whatever. And I felt like that's a really

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interesting topic and what is it? Like, is there any truth in that? Do you know,

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it's funny that you bring it up. So I've been thinking about this recently, I've had that a few

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times when people go, well, we just live in different worlds. Yeah. And I'm like, what? Like, that doesn't,

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maybe we do, but maybe we don’t, but yeah, what's interesting to me is that,

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I mean, Dan and I, my husband, we were talking about this yesterday. And we were saying,

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if we went back 10 years, 10 years ago, we weren't even pregnant with our first child. It was coming

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soon in a couple of months, but we weren't yet. And we were a nurse and a policeman. We never

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saw each other. We were working opposite shifts. We weren't that healthy, we hadn't had an

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awakening around food. I mean, we ate lots of vegetables and that was what we thought was healthy. Yeah.

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But we lived in a two and a half bed house. We were so happy with what we had. And we

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were so grateful for what we had. But there is no way that I would have looked forward 10 years.

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If someone had said to me, what will your life look like in 10 years? And I would have gone, you're

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going to live more in the countryside in a really beautiful, bigger old house that you've decorated

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in this amazing, non-toxic way. And you'll have built your own businesses and

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sold your own businesses. And you'll have three beautiful children that

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you homeschool and you'll love every moment of it and you'll have travelled,

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had incredible opportunities, I would never, I would have been like, get out of here.

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There is no way that's going to be my life in 10 years. Yeah. And I find that so interesting

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because it's like, what, what was it that made the difference? Like, do you know, I, I have a theory.

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I think it was what you said about that you were happy with what you had as well. I think

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there can be a limiting way of, I'm happy with what I have and then you stay there. But if you're

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happy and open, you're always open to more, but you're not in that kind of negative, like, I don't

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deserve any more mindset. Yeah. No, I left that. And I actually really believe that because I

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believe that if you align with that mentality and mindset of abundance, abundance, again,

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definitions, right? Yeah. To me, abundance means appreciating the abundance in everything we have.

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And we're so lucky, actually, living in the UK in a country that has seasons and that is so abundant

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in your life in so many ways in nature. Like, yeah, we complain about the rain, but if it wasn't for

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the rain, it wouldn't be as luscious here, you know? And it's, there's so much around us that you

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can't possibly go for a walk in nature for an hour and not align yourself with that notion of

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abundance and see it and appreciate it. And then I do really believe that it's the law of attraction,

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right? If you believe you're a abundant and you have all of this, you have this amazing life,

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then you'll get more of it. You get more of it. Yeah. You keep getting more. Yeah. So, yeah,

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no, I get that. I believe it, but I never looked back and applied it to myself in that way. And I think,

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well, thinking about privilege, but also about success, I think, you know, we've kind of touched on how

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success doesn't always mean money and success means more than money and it means, yeah, I mean,

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we didn't exercise the other week, right? Well, we kind of sat in our circle, we all just saw,

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like, how do we feel? Like, what does success feel to us? And I think the feeling that came up,

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the words that kept coming up were calm and content and what were the other words?

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Freedom. Freedom. Peace. Peace. Like, it was not luxury or, it wasn't money. It was just a sense of,

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like, calmness. And I think, yeah, the same way that success doesn't necessarily always mean money,

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I think the same with privilege. And I think that I certainly think that, whilst I might not have

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had a privileged upbringing, yeah, financially. And I mean, I definitely didn't, like, grow up in

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a council house in the roughest part of Northampton, definitely not financially privileged,

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although living in the UK, we are still privileged, you know, of course, we are, but in our society

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was not, I still think that I had a great amount of privilege in the love and support that I had

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from my family. Yeah. And I think that has made all the difference to me and my outlook on life.

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And I do recognise that privilege because I definitely feel that, well, my mum and dad,

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they weren't older, but they had had my sisters, like, nine years before they had me when they were

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really young. So by the time they had me, they'd figured things out, they were, like, ready to have

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a baby. And then I also had these two sisters at nine and eight years older than me that just

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loved me and were obsessed with me. And like, that's so nice. I feel that privilege of having that,

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kind of, network of people around you that just make you feel loved and trusted. Yeah.

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I do think that's, to me, why people would say that I am the successful type of person that I am,

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and the people would say I'm happy, go lucky or whatever, and I don't think it's luck. But I think

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it's that I've got that confidence in me, right? Trust. That always felt worthy.

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Always felt worthy. Yeah. So then, yeah, if something goes my way, it's not, what? It's like,

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yeah, I deserve that. Or like, because that's power I've, you know, been kind of brought up. So I do think,

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yeah, the same, we've had success. It's important to kind of recognise that privilege, I suppose. But

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then also, I think that's really quite powerful because that means that people always think like

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money is fact and love is like a feeling or whatever. But actually, if I'm coming from a

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situation where I didn't have money, but I had love. Yeah. And then that has been the way that I

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have made myself successful. Yeah. That's quite powerful because you realise that anyone that

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comes from, you know, even if you come from nothing, even if you don't have any money,

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you do have the ability to be successful. But maybe you don't have the same privilege that you've

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had the same amount of love. I recognise that I have that. But there is a way that you can tap into

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that right and build your own trust and your own confidence and your own love, self love. Yeah. I mean,

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Marisa Pia, you know, she talks about it a lot, doesn't she? Like, I am enough is the name of her book,

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where she encourages people to retrain their, like, their psyches, basically, their subconscious

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to believe that they are lovable and worthy and enough, just as they are. And there are, you know,

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we all have our baggage, you know, whether that's feelings of unworthiness or, you know, everybody's

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got something at some point that we've worked through. But I feel like if you can recognise yourself

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as a resource, you know, that is really freeing. And there's that saying, isn't there? Your own

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limitation in life is you. Yeah. Like a lot of people go, well, how did you go from nursing to,

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running businesses and making, designing children's sustainable clothing? I have

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no background in fashion, I've always enjoyed clothes and I've, you know, was exposed to, my mum,

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sews a lot, and her mum used to make dresses for famous people, so I know what a pattern is,

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and I know how to use a sewing machine, but I never thought that that was where I was going to

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go. Yeah. And I don't have any technical training. But, actually, I feel like that was in many ways a

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gift. Yeah. Because I then went in and you remember, we were questioning everything.

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Just questioning it, yeah, and you don't like, just do things. But why does it have to be like that?

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Don't just do things the way that everyone else does it, but also if you do things the way that

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everyone else does it, then you're only going to get the results that everyone else has got. Yeah.

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Yeah, totally. So people are like, how did you, like, yeah, how did you go further with that? How did

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you, and it's like, well, we did things differently, you're, yeah. And people would say, well, how did you,

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not only, how did you succeed in it, but how did you succeed in it with no background in it?

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Yeah. And then I actually think that helped. Yeah. Because as soon as we realized our only

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limitation in life is us, like, well, then we just need to get out of our own way. We just need to be

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okay to ask the questions. And a lot of people, I think, were so affected by other people's ideas of

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success. Yeah. That when someone says, well, this is the way it's done, we go, oh, okay. Yeah.

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And you obviously know better than me. Yeah. I'm not worthy of knowing this information. Exactly. Exactly.

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When you get out of your own way, you're comfortable to then say, yeah, but why? Yeah, but why? Actually,

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I want to try it this way anyway, or this is how I feel is in my bones, I feel like this is the right

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thing to do. So I'm going to do it. Yeah. And yeah, I think there's so much more strength in that,

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right? Because also if you do, if you follow someone else's path, then you're still, I think they're

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still that doubt within you if it doesn't feel right to you. Yeah. And you don't give it the full, I know,

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attention. Yeah. Well, we were talking before we started this and saying, like, you know,

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there's so many people that get up at five o'clock and have their routines and it's like three or

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four hours before they start their day. And yeah, amazing. Like if you've got four hours to spend

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and it gets you into that place that you feel good in, yeah, do it. But there has to be

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another way. I don't have four hours in the morning, I've got three small children and, you

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know, run a business and whatever. And so there has to be another way. And I think even just 

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spending a few minutes every day, checking in with your inner self and recognizing,

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am I operating within that? Yeah. Like am I holding true to my idea of integrity and my core values?

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And like really aligning yourself at the beginning of the day with those and then using that as your

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place to operate from throughout that day, then you can't be anything other than the best version

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of yourself. Right. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I think it's, um, it's also then your

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sense of integrity. And don't get me wrong. You, you will be, um, unsettled sometimes by other people

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who quiz you on whether you're a success. Yeah. Or bring your integrity into question. You know,

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I was saying to you last week, I've had more people question my integrity in the time in which

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I have held the strongest and truest to my integrity that I've never before. Yeah. And I find that

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so interesting because actually, it's not about me. No, it brings up other people's stuff. Yeah.

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It me holding true to my integrity and being absolutely unwilling to waver from that is jarring for

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other people. Yeah. I think it unsettles people. I don't know if it's like, yeah, it brings something

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up for them. I'm like, whoa, that person really knows what they want. And I think other people can

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find that uncomfortable for sure. Right. Especially if it doesn't match what they think success means.

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Yeah. Yeah. And I think that happens. I mean, we've had so many conversations with people where

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they've like been quizzed like he say, where someone's going, well, are you making money here or

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are you doing that then? Oh, so what's happening next? And I don't know. And then I think people do

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fall into this. Oh, well, I've got to say, yeah, it's all great. Thanks. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is working.

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Yeah. And why? I suppose it's putting that pressure on you, but also why have we not got this?

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I don't know, kind of community feel where we can be a bit more open and real about things that

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are going on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I think I suppose it comes back to that

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like fear of judgment or fear of like what? But it's true though, if you, if you're holding

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true to your idea of success, it doesn't really matter what anybody else does. There's no

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things. But it's hard to remember that when you're in it and when someone is suddenly quizzing you

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about like whether your business is a success. Yeah. I think as well, like, yeah, there's that fear of

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fear of failure, but also failure is what you make of it, right? Like I was thinking about one of my

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business that I had like eight years ago and I've never ever once thought that I failed at that

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business or it was a failure. But like the other day I thought about it and was like,

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would someone else say that as a failure story? And maybe they would, but I just don't see it that way.

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At all. Like it really like just led on to so many opportunities and then from that I was, I learned

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so much that I've then landed in something else that that then led to something else and yeah,

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I just, I've never ever once thought I failed at that or I wasn't good enough. But then

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I questioned that so much because I think if that would have been my chosen story,

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well I failed at that business, then would anything else have happened? No. Because you probably

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said, well, I don't, I can't do that. I can't do that. Yeah, well, I'm not worthy. But actually my

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story like, I remember going into a meeting with someone and I literally, yeah, it was a business

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on my own that I had created and perhaps people wouldn't say that it was successful, but I felt

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like it was and I felt like I was seeing, you know, great things and great success. And I remember

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going into a bit into a meeting with a guy that had his own business and just being like, yeah,

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I can do this. Do you want my help? Like, I know how to do this. Look, and being really positive and

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confident with my own skills and ability to help him. Yeah. And that then led on to work there,

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which led on to something else. But I just think if I was caught up in there, oh, nothing's good enough,

00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:44,320
mindset or I'm failing, then that, no, that first opportunity wouldn't have even been there. Yeah.

00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,920
But I don't know how you kind of switch that on because I know and we talk to people all the time

00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:56,160
when they're in that headspace of like, I'm failing or things aren't going the way that I want it to go,

00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:02,560
like, yeah, I don't know the answer to how you switch on the accepting saying it's in you. Right.

00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:09,200
Right. Like how, yeah, I don't know that either because it's almost like, it's like with

00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:15,680
dire, right? You can't talk to somebody who eats really unhealthy, like annex and just explain it

00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,120
to them and expect them to get it like in that moment. It's a journey we're all on. And we all have our

00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:26,560
different points of awakening and our different levels of awakening as well. And it's like, how do you

00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,920
hold space for that and support that in others when you do the work that we do without like

00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:39,520
projecting or imprinting on them? Yeah. But yeah, at the same time, not enabling them. Yeah,

00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:44,560
it is really, yeah, you have to tread carefully, don't you? But also, you know, if you go to hard

00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,120
with anything, people roll their eyes. If you say, if someone saying I'm having a hard time,

00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:54,720
sales aren't coming, businesses aren't going well and you go, it's all inside you, that's okay,

00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,520
thanks. And they'll walk away. Right. And I get it on the outside. Thanks for your help. That one

00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:05,440
sentence doesn't really help things. No, I truly believe that it is. Like, I'm not saying,

00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:11,520
just change your mind, and then change your mindset. And then you will start doing things

00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,480
differently. You'll start operating differently. You'll be like, Oh, I am worthy. Do you know

00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,160
that person I'm meant to be? I've meant to email them for like six months, but I've been putting it

00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,280
off because I don't feel that I'm worthy. I'm going to email them. Yeah. And then that person,

00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,040
why would they possibly want to hear from me? Yeah, actually, you know, then, and then you get

00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:32,160
a reply and you're like, Oh, I am worthy. Every little bit you get, you get more confidence.

00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,280
Yeah. And then you can do more and it just kind of snowballs from there. Well, I was thinking

00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:47,040
about you just talking about, like, not seeing it as a failure. And, you know, I really love that

00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:55,120
because how do you know what works if you don't know what hasn't worked? And it's not a case of failure,

00:22:55,120 --> 00:23:00,640
or like, I wouldn't even use that word. It's a case of like a journey and learning and like,

00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,760
like, how do you figure out the winning for you? Yeah. If you don't try, I'll never

00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,680
throw a little bit. Like, if you never take action until you know you've got the perfect form,

00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,800
you're never going to take any action. Yeah. So it's about being okay with that.

00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:20,080
And yeah, like, perhaps there were these underlying feelings of unworthiness,

00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:27,520
which have a bigger role to play. But there are also things that you can work through, you know?

00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:37,600
So yeah, I really like, like, thinking of it as, and they say, like, behind every successful entrepreneur,

00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:46,400
there, there is a trail of failed businesses or... Yeah, yeah, but I think like you said there about

00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:52,400
being a journey, I think that's really interesting because if, um, like, let's say you have a business

00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,520
and it goes up and down from being profitable to failing and then like, where, at what point?

00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,560
Like, I thought that you'd look back and be like, I failed, but you wouldn't look back and go,

00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:08,240
I succeeded and then it failed. You know? You would be like, you always end on the, I failed that,

00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:13,440
that, even if it leads to another, like, and it's always an ongoing thing, right? You can say,

00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:19,440
are you successful? I was successful. Like, do you lose it? I was successful, but I'm not anymore.

00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,760
Well, no, you've still had the same successes that you had. Exactly. Why are you now like,

00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:31,760
what is it that you've lost? Right, and I think that like, again, comes back to the core values and

00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:37,360
integrity and soul alignment, like, what's your purpose? What's the essential truth of who you are

00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:47,200
and what you want to do? And I think, um, like, you do have to play with that a little bit. Like,

00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:54,320
you do have to sit with that and it's okay. I don't see it as failure to tune in with what,

00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,760
where you're currently at and recognise that's not the version of yourself you want to be. Yeah.

00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:05,920
Any more and make a change. Yeah. Like, hold on, like, that is not failure. That's great. That's

00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:12,320
the biggest success. Like, you're living in the greatest alignment to who you were meant to be

00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:17,760
from the beginning. Like, there is no better success than that. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I know. I

00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:26,480
feel that we always, like, that always fascinates me. The idea of, yes, you've made, you're made up of

00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:34,800
all your past mistakes and stories. But you still now can change it. Right. And it's about

00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:40,000
recognising that your present reality is not your future reality. No. Your present reality is the

00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,360
culmination of everything in your past. Yeah. That has equaled to right now. Right now. Yeah. But if you

00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:49,840
want your future to look different, then right now start doing something different. Start doing

00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,720
the thing that leads to right is that you want rather than what you have and perhaps you're not happy

00:25:54,720 --> 00:26:00,080
with because, yeah, the more you keep doing the same things, the more things aren't going to change,

00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:12,480
right? Yeah. I think, yeah, following on from that, someone asked us recently, you know, is it

00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:21,360
easier to see things this way when you've already had success? Yeah. And I mean, I think it's kind of

00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:28,720
the same as like what I was saying about I recognise my privilege in having a loving upbringing,

00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:35,120
right? Yeah. I think it is easier to trust people when no one's ever hurt you. Yeah. Of course it is.

00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,760
But it still is in you. Yeah. Yeah. It's still, yeah. You will believe, right? And I don't know,

00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:47,040
but I think you just have the confidence in your confidence in yourself, like I was talking to

00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:53,600
Matt about this, my husband the other day, like something that we think is impossible because

00:26:53,600 --> 00:27:01,120
perhaps it's beyond something that we've reached. But we might have that belief, but then other people

00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,680
might believe our reality is impossible. Like actually, no people that have been like, there's no way

00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,560
that you've bought that flat or you've done that or like that's impossible. Like how have you made

00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,360
that money or how have you done those things? Like people think it's impossible, but because it's been

00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:21,280
part of our reality that we've made happen, we're like, no, it's not impossible. But then we've still

00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,160
got a lid on where we think, do you know what I mean? How can you keep, you're always living into

00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:32,320
your minimum standards? Yeah. But how can you recognise that other people think that your reality is

00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:38,240
impossible? And then not also recognise that your belief of what's impossible is impossible.

00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:45,520
Just elevate, keep elevating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that that's that is really interesting

00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:57,760
to explore it in that way. And you know, I've not, I definitely have like trauma in my past from

00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:05,840
like trust, you know, I got horrendously bullied at school like horrendously by my friends at the time.

00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:14,400
So it was really, you know, damaging. Yeah. And when I was like 14, 13, 14, so is that that really

00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:27,200
awkward age, you know, important? Yeah. And you know, you can decide to let that stop you trusting people.

00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:35,840
Yeah. Or you can decide not to. And either way, you probably will still

00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:46,640
get hurt at some point. But I think like who wants to live like that? You know, I would so much

00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:54,800
rather live with an open trusting heart knowing that, yeah, I might get hurt at some point. But you

00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,080
there might also be loads of good things. But there's loads of good things that come with it like

00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:06,800
my way of coping at the time was to create like a bubble around me that separated me

00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:13,120
from getting too close to other people who could then hurt me. Yeah. And what does that equal?

00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:18,080
Like who do I then have? Yeah. You know, I think it's an interesting point though because

00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,680
like they, I've heard, we keep saying they said and who they are, but they're, they're,

00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,880
there is like the saying of you and I'm going back to money when I don't mean to just talk about

00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:37,200
money, but like you usually, they say you make on average what the five people you spend the most

00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,600
time with, this, that you make the average of what the five people spend the most time with,

00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:47,360
earn. And like that always blows my mind. I'm like, because it's what, what the standards are right

00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:53,360
around you and you kind of, about so interesting because I've heard that you are the result of the

00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,160
five people you spend most time with. I've not heard that the finances, yeah. Like they say if you look at

00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,680
your salary or, yeah, what you make per year and then you look at the five people around you and you'd

00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:10,080
yeah, make the work out of the average. It's usually you're, you're in that. And I like, yeah,

00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,560
not for it to just be about money, but I think that, just think about that in life. Like the who are

00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:20,800
the five people that you spend the most time with and are they out of choice? Or are there anyone in

00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:30,720
there that perhaps isn't helping with that? Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I've listened to countless

00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:41,120
meditations, visualizations, activations, whatever, like all of, all of those things. And every single

00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:47,440
person, like every interview I listen to from like people who have succeeded, I'm doing in

00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:54,000
verb comments, everyone that can't see me. But everybody says the same thing, like be careful who

00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:02,960
you surround yourself with. And there is an element of me, like to, to be completely frank, that really

00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,480
kind of struggles with that because I'm like, what you want me to get rid of people in my life who

00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,640
don't serve a purpose. And I find that really hard. Like, you know, most of my friends we were

00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,800
talking about this earlier are like old friends. Yeah. People I've been friends with for years. And

00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:24,800
there's no way I'm going to not be friends with them anymore. But I heard an interview, I can't

00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:32,080
remember the name of the guy, but he lives in the US. And he was saying that he calls these people

00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:38,400
valueless friends because they don't add any value to your life, but the value system that you

00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:45,360
appreciate them under is completely different. And so they don't count. He was like, I let them all.

00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,680
Right, I can be with them and there's no agenda. They've got no hidden agenda with me. I've got no

00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:55,360
hidden agenda. So it doesn't matter. The energy exchange is different, but it's about the new people

00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:01,200
that you have mint and come across and have in your life and welcome into your life. Like that energy

00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:08,160
exchange is different. And for sure you'll end up being a result of those people that you're surrounding yourself with.

00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:19,040
Being careful then with, because also in that same conversation, they said that the energy of the

00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:25,840
group, any group, any community that you're in will always align with the lowest vibrational match.

00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:33,040
Wow. So you want to like, you can't let like one person off even though they moan about everything.

00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Yeah, you will all align with that energy. Oh, I've definitely felt that before in my life.

00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,240
Yeah, it's so interesting when people like that. And then when then they've left the group and they're

00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,040
not there anymore, all of a sudden you realize that everyone is like at a high, really high, like

00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:54,080
the bounce is back up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really interesting. But I guess the point that I'm making

00:32:54,080 --> 00:33:03,760
is that every single spiritual guide or like, manifestation guru or whatever everyone says the

00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,600
same thing, like as soon as they figured out the community of people that they had around them,

00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,800
it’s like things started sorting into place immediately. It's interesting to think about that

00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:22,560
in terms of business. And if you've got a team, right? Yes. And I suppose we're in kind of a

00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:28,400
unique position as we've been in teams where we've hired people. But then there are lots of people

00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,680
that workplaces. They don't have the responsibility of who else is hired next to them or who else is

00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:39,200
already there. And I think that is a real, I think who you work with, who you spend your time with,

00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:46,000
like we just said, it can be, it can make a break here, right? It can be, I know so many people

00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:52,720
that have just been completely destroyed by their work environment and it comes down to the people

00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,480
that they're spending their time with. Yeah. But like how, I don't know, how do you,

00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,720
how do you remain like, keep some of that control when you actually don't have, you can't always have

00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,520
the, all of the control, right? Right. Well, first of all, I would say like, are you in the right place?

00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:15,360
Yeah. I think that's the big question. Because quite often you don't align with those people

00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:21,040
and you're not having a good time because you're not in the right place. So that's like the first

00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,960
wrong because, how would you just go into that a bit deeper? If it was the right place,

00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:32,160
the right people would be like, yeah, it's like a matter of attraction. Yeah. If there's a real true,

00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:39,520
like, their souls to business is almost like, yeah, there's like, it will attract the right people.

00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:45,200
So is it that you're actually not the right person to be there? And that person is perfect there.

00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,640
Exactly. Because that's the thing, right? It's not just about like, draw people to me,

00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:56,160
but like, who are you drawn to? You might be the wrong person for that situation. It doesn't make

00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,640
you a bad person or a wrong person in general, but you're not the right person in the right seat,

00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:07,760
you know? And I think like that is we talk to businesses all the time, like businesses that

00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:14,160
perhaps like set up a few years ago and got busy or like, but never stopped or had the opportunity

00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,920
to stop and assess like, who they were, where they're coming from, what they're trying to achieve,

00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:28,960
and like, what is the central truth of who they are? And so often we work through this with people

00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:34,240
and then once they've got it, they literally, they're like lit up like a beacon and all these amazing

00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:41,120
people start coming to them, like a moth to a flame. And it's the importance, I think, of living,

00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:48,240
living, like living breathing within your integrity and your seat of who you are and what you're

00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:56,160
contributing. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean, and I've seen it and like you say, it's like people

00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,200
light up, but it's not just within themselves, it's almost like they're in this big room that the

00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,440
lights have been off and then you turn it on and they can see where everything is. Yeah. Like, it just

00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:12,160
makes everything clearer. Yeah. But I also wonder like, how do can you be successful, can your business

00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:19,600
be successful if you don't do those things? Because there are businesses out there. But again,

00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:25,840
what are you talking about? Success. Like, yes, you could be in a very traditional patriarchal

00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,440
business model that has huge growth and huge profit, but like, what's your life quality? Everyone's

00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,880
miserable. Everyone is miserable. Everybody's stressed. Like, there's one guy at the top calling

00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:43,440
the shots and everybody else is a pawn in the game. Like, you know, it's, do you want that? Yeah,

00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:49,600
do you want that? You know, is that alignment with like your central truth and who you are and

00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:55,120
what you want to do? And I guess that is the second part of when you say, like, is it possible when

00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:01,600
you're not in control of hiring those people to be happy in that place? If the answer after you

00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,440
ask yourself is whether you're in the right place and you are, like, you really want to be there,

00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:14,080
then I guess, like, do the inner work, like, keep every morning coming back to that place of alignment

00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:24,880
and integrity. And like, then I think it's not that the situation changes, but that you change. Yeah.

00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,040
You know, I always remember my dad saying to me, you know, CS Lewis, you wrote Narnia,

00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:37,680
he has a famous quote, like someone said to him in an interview, do you think prayer changes things

00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:47,680
because he was a question? And he replied, it changes me. Yeah. And I think that's the point

00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,360
that we keep coming back to. Yeah. Which if you do that in a work, whether it's prayer,

00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:58,240
whether it's meditation, whether it's yoga, whether it's exercise, like, whether it's a walk in nature,

00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:03,040
whatever that might be for you journaling, you name it, like, everybody has their thing. But whatever

00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,800
that is, if you take the time to check in with yourself and you align with that place and then operate

00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,600
from that place every day, what everyone else is doing will matter less. You will matter less, yeah.

00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:19,760
You know? Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. That's so, so, so true.

00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:32,880
I think, kind of, yeah, I mean, following on from that and I often think about the kind of balance

00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:39,520
between you mentioned stress, stress in a work environment and I often think about the balance between

00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:50,560
having, I guess, success and stress and whether you can have success and no stress. Yeah. Yeah.

00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:57,360
Because people always say, and I mean, I've seen it, the higher up you work, the bigger job title

00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:05,040
you get, the more responsibility you have and often, responsibility comes with stress. But when we are

00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:13,120
in this kind of area of business, sustainable, ethical, mindful businesses, yeah, we do have more

00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:19,840
control over how we operate and we can do things differently. But I think we've, we've asked that

00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:26,960
question a lot over the last, I don't know, how many months? Yeah. Can we get to this level

00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:37,920
without adding on more stress? Yeah. And I think we can. But I think it's hard. I think, I mean, yeah,

00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:44,560
everything's a challenge. But I've never shied away from a challenge. And I think,

00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:51,680
I think it comes back to actually the same thing. Like if you're operating from that place of,

00:39:51,680 --> 00:40:06,400
like, true purpose, yeah, and true alignment with who you are, then you will be equipped

00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:16,000
to deal with the stress. Yeah. And again, inverted comments. Because A, I think it won't feel as

00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:23,440
straight. Yeah. I think when you're doing something you believe in, the stress is less. Yeah. And then

00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:31,520
I think the stress that does exist matters less because you are aligned and doing the inner work.

00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:40,000
Yeah. So it doesn't hit you in the same way. And then I think that because whatever you believe

00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:46,080
provides for you, whether you believe in the universal source or the God or God or, you know,

00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:55,120
whatever your belief system is, when you are aligned with that creative energy and operating

00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:02,640
from that place, you are also drawing from that place. Yeah. And so if you are doing the work

00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,160
that you truly believe will leave the planet in a better way and will have an impact,

00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:15,520
then you will also be given the tools you need to deal with it. Yeah. I honestly believe that because

00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:21,760
I've sat with this a lot over the last few months and I've thought about like what we're doing and

00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,160
where we want to go and like we have all these amazing ideas of how we can help people and create

00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:32,560
a collective and create a fund for women who can't set up their own business because they don't

00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,200
have the money to do so and we could create this system where like we can help them to do that. And

00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,320
like all this incredible stuff that I am so passionate about and really really want to do. But then I

00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:48,960
think about like where we have to get to in the journey, we have to go on to get there, to be able

00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:54,960
to provide that for people. But then I just keep coming back to the place like I know we are meant

00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,760
to be having this impact. Yeah. Like this is why we're here. This is why we've had the experiences

00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,960
that we've had. This is why we've been on the journey we've been on. This is why we've done it

00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,320
together. Like we are meant to be doing this and we are meant to be helping people and we are meant

00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:16,560
to be having an impact and we can't do that unless we do grow to be in the middle. Right. Like we can't

00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:24,560
stay small to provide for our families and yet have this huge impact. And so even I've been through

00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:32,000
this so much. So like that we are going to have to like go for that. Like if that's the impact we

00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,760
want to have and the difference we want to make in people's lives. But because it's conscious and it's

00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:47,680
mindful and it's collective, we will be given the resources we need to be able to achieve that.

00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:53,840
Yeah. And I think as well though, I think like a lot of that the resources are within you, right?

00:42:53,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Yeah. Like it's your mindset on it and it makes sense that if it's something that you're

00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:08,080
passionate about, the time, you know, it doesn't feel like work or whatever, however you want to put

00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:16,560
it. Yeah. I think about it reminds me of my mum and dad and this kind of ongoing, it's definitely

00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:23,600
not an argument but it's a kind of life decision conversation. I love this story about your mum and dad.

00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:30,080
It's always like, yeah, there's always some kind of opportunity that my dad's chasing and then my

00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:35,520
mum's like, is it worth the stress? And like this, well you always do these things and yeah, they always do

00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,400
end up kind of working out and leading onto something great but my mum's like, is it worth the stress?

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And I'm always in the middle like, yeah, I don't know but it does sound like a good opportunity.

00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:51,280
I never quite side with either of them but I think it's only just occurred to me that why does it

00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,360
have to be one or the other? I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll go and do that opportunity. There's this

00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:01,280
piece of land that I can buy but I'm taking all the stress on or we don't, and we don't have the stress.

00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:07,920
Why can't it be, no, I'm going to do it but I'm aware that last time was really stressful.

00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,560
So let's set it up differently. So let's set it up differently. Let's do it and let's do it differently.

00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:18,480
Right. These are the things that happened before. How can we stop that and actually we're doing

00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,200
this because we want to do it. We're doing this because I think it's a great opportunity so anything

00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:30,000
that comes our way isn't as scary or as challenging as it is. Well, I have two thoughts about what you just

00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:37,440
said. One like coming right back to the very beginning, had you measure success? Yeah. If it's

00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,320
financial, then buying that piece of land and it being stressful but selling it and making money

00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:50,480
was worth it. If your measure of success is a stress-free life, it wasn't worth it. And therefore you failed.

00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:56,560
Well, there's more coming back to this like mainstream way of buttering it.

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And so that makes me again strengthen that belief that there is a stream of failures behind

00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:16,400
every successful opportunity and entrepreneur and however you want to put it because you do things

00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,480
and you made money but it was stressful. So next time you're like, okay, this time we can make the

00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,560
money but it doesn't have to be stressful because we're going to structure it differently. And so

00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:32,320
that like throws the whole failure-success thing right out of it anyway. No matter how you define

00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:38,160
either, it is all just a journey that we're meant to be on and we're all at different points in it.

00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:44,880
And then the other thing that I was going to say, which has now just flown off the tip of my tongue.

00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:55,920
Oh! Was something a lie? Oh yeah. I also think that if you're mindful and you're conscious and you're

00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:02,720
slow in all the best ways, it's like the, the, the, the truth is in the hair, right? Yeah.

00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:13,920
You are so considered about every step that you care about every element. Including your

00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:22,880
loose, the structure, the people that, you know, and then because you are doing it as you go,

00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:29,120
you're growing in a sustainable way because you are considering each element at each step.

00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:35,120
Rather than growing, bam, you're huge. Oh wait, we've got a massive cleanup job. Right.

00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:41,520
Because you're being like, no, I'm here for the growth and yes it can happen fast but I still

00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,360
want to consider it as I'm doing it. Yeah. And put these things in place that support that

00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:53,840
growth and the people involved, right? And the planet and the impact and all of it.

00:46:53,840 --> 00:47:00,880
So I do think that they don't have to be mutually exclusive. Yeah. I love that.

00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:08,960
I don't even know if there's anything more I can say. After that. Yeah. No, that was a good,

00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:14,400
that was good, yeah. I mean, yeah, it's, I feel like it a lot of our kind of conversations,

00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,040
I feel like a lot of them we've had before or their topics that we've kind of touched on a lot,

00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,280
but I think this is something that's relatively new to me is in

00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:34,480
not that either all stress or success or, you know, well, no stress or success. Yeah. Yeah. But,

00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:42,480
yeah, that concept of, yeah, having it, having it old, yeah, yeah. And like, you know,

00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,840
there will always be challenges in life because that's life. Yeah. But I feel like it lands differently

00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:54,480
when you're in a different place and you're taking that on and you're taking, yeah. And you're literally

00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,200
doing it. You know that you're doing it. Yeah. It's not just happening and you're, oh, I didn't,

00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,120
I didn't know that was going to happen or I wasn't expecting this. Yeah. You're kind of there.

00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:09,520
Like, okay, what challenges are we going to have today? And, I know, we're going to navigate

00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:15,200
them with grace and ease. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Overcome all of them and seeing it as a success in all

00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,680
of those little, all the little wins. You're not a failure because you had challenges. No, you were

00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:26,720
a success because you overcome, um, overcame them. Yeah. Yeah. I think, and I think that's another thing as

00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:34,480
well, I think, um, holding space for celebrating all of those little wins. I think that's something

00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,440
that we struggle with a lot. As in we do, we're like, yeah, we did that, but then it's always up onto

00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,680
the next thing straight away. Right. And actually, like, that's something that you and I have spoken about

00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:55,440
and have been very conscious about taking into Rebrandr. Yeah. Um, as it has, um, become more concrete in

00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:05,280
its definition. And I think you have to celebrate the small wins. You have to because otherwise,

00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:11,680
you're not enjoying the process by you're going back to that mentality of the outcome, which we've

00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:18,960
touched on in the previous episode. Um, and but then where's the joy? Where's the joy? Where's the joy?

00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,200
Where's the joy? What's the point? Is this new joy? Yeah. What's the point? Totally. And I think

00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:31,280
that you have to celebrate those wins, not just from that perspective, but also like that, whatever

00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,960
you believe in, whatever you tap into at the beginning of each day, if that, um,

00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:46,960
recognises your joy and it will give you more. It will give you more, yeah. You'll find more.

00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:54,560
You'll find more, yeah, totally. So yeah, celebrate yourselves, celebrate your wins, even the small things.

00:49:54,560 --> 00:50:00,240
And celebrate your friends, your other, your friend that has a small business, celebrate their wins

00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:05,120
with them and the more we can do that, like, yeah. And the more we can normalise doing it, right?

00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:10,240
If we celebrate each other and then you're like, you feel like, I don't know, be left out. I have to

00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:14,480
find something to celebrate about myself. Yeah. And then you've kind of forced to. I love that,

00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,800
actually. And that's something that we, I mean, we start our small business circles doing,

00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:24,560
like saying, what's the celebration for the week? Yeah. Yeah. Everybody comes with a challenge and

00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,040
everybody comes with a celebration. I know, I love that. I think, because sometimes I like people,

00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:34,320
I can't think of anything. And you're like, no, come on. You can celebrate something. Yeah.

00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,760
So many times I've said to people, well, what about that? Like, oh, yeah, I did that. I did that.

00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:45,280
That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And I think, you know, actually, that's what women are really good at.

00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:51,200
You know, like, we all have those friendships where we like, oh, this just happened, or like,

00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,120
you know, you'd like exchange those messages or you have that catch-up call, or like,

00:50:55,120 --> 00:51:00,800
and we celebrate our friends really, naturally and really easily. Yeah. So let's bring that into

00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:09,600
business. Like, you know, we don't have to separate business and us and life, like, it's all a blend

00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:18,240
and it's all about, like, and you said earlier, I meant to say, you know, I don't see it as work.

00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:25,520
I don't see it as work. Yeah. Like, I look forward to my days. Yeah. Because it's fun. Yeah. And it feels

00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:33,760
beneficial and it feels impactful. And that's just great. Like, you know, I feel like I haven't

00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:39,120
worked for a while. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. And I think that's another misconception. People

00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,040
are like, oh, yeah, you can get a job that you love, but you won't make any money doing it. Like,

00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:48,960
you can work in this little area. Yeah. And yeah, you'll love it. Or you go and you work in the

00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,360
office that you hate with the people that you hate and you make those money, but yeah,

00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:58,560
you've got no joy in you live for the weekend kind of thing. And that, yeah, I mean, that's something

00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:08,160
I talked about all the time. Like, why? Yeah. Can't you have both? Well, I think so. Yeah. I think

00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:19,760
you have to enjoy every moment. Like, you have like the one shared thing that we all have,

00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:30,800
that is a limited resource is time. So why are we not trying to enjoy it at every moment?

00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:38,240
I think that would be a good place to kind of end today is do we have any advice for perhaps

00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:42,400
someone that maybe they are enjoying it or they love their small business, but perhaps they're not

00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:48,800
financially seeing what they want from it yet or they're not seeing the kind of business results

00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:55,920
that they want. Yeah, like, what reassurance or like, is there anything that we can say there? Yeah,

00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:02,960
I mean, I just keep coming back to the same 80% at work. Like, if you are operating from that

00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:08,720
place of alignment and essential truth and core values, like, and holding really clear to that,

00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:14,080
then unless there are some limiting beliefs and blocks that you need to work through,

00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:21,040
which is also totally possible, then it will come. But, you know, we say all the time,

00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:27,360
there are no quick fixes or no shortcuts, like in this day and age of biohacking. And, you know,

00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:35,680
there are so many ways to hack every aspect of your life and like, but to bring it back to the slow

00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:42,880
and say, like, do you want that? Like, do you want, or do you want a sustainable conscious impact?

00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:49,360
And I just think like if you are completely operating within alignment with what your sole purpose is,

00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:56,880
you can't go wrong. We say, don't we? You turn up to the gym every day. You will see results. Yes,

00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,200
you might not get the body you thought you were going to get. It might look different. But it will

00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,160
change. But it will change. Yeah. And you will get results. Yeah. So you just have to be consistent

00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,240
and do that. I think it's a really, yeah, a really good way of looking at it, especially in business,

00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:15,680
because I think sometimes people feel like, I'm doing so much and you're like, what are you doing,

00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:21,280
though? Like, what bits are you doing? And if you apply the same logic to go into the gym,

00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,360
I'm going to the gym, but I'm not seeing any difference. Well, what are you doing? Oh, you're just

00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:31,120
walking on the treadmill? Like, I'm not saying go and work really hard, but are you, are there blockages

00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,680
or is there something that you're holding back doing? Yeah. Because you're scared. And you think a

00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:41,280
lot of the time it does come down to fear or rejection or, yeah, I guess, fear of failing. Fear of failing.

00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:47,120
People go like, well, if I don't do it, and then I don't know, like people don't want the failure

00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:53,120
so they don't do it. But yeah, I think for me, that's definitely it. I think, like just having

00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,440
that confidence within yourself, and just go on and do it. On your own, with a support network.

00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,160
Like people who can have your back, whether it's just being an ear or whether it's can actually

00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:07,840
impacting you or mentoring you or even doing the work for you, like have people in your life

00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:15,520
that there is no one who is going to have the most success by not having fun along the way,

00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:20,960
because they're doing a load of tasks that they hate. Yeah. So the quickest way to success is to

00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:27,440
find a way to reallocate that, you know? Yeah. And that, I mean, that's what we're here for,

00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:32,160
creating those networks and that support, you know, and I really believe in the power of that.

00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:41,200
Two, me two. Well, okay, well, I think we've covered quite a lot with spoken for nearly an hour,

00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:46,960
nearly an hour on success. And I mean, I'm sure it's a topic that we will come back to again and

00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:52,000
again, because it does just come up, especially when you get into all sorts of different topics,

00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:58,000
like it kind of is the thing that you keep coming back to, and you're like, yeah, but is that one one?

00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,840
Is that my success? That's a line with what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:11,600
But yeah, I think that was a good chat. Good chat. Good chat. Okay, well, we'll see you all next time.

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