Ep. 7: Can You Be Spiritual and Want to Be Rich? A New Wealth Conversation with Ombiya from Crypto Queens

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Amazing, so hello everybody and welcome to the Slow Circle. We have another amazing guest

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podcast episode today. As you all know, Amy is on maternity leave and while she is out, I have

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been using the opportunity to interview some incredible women and yeah, today very, very exciting

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guest for you. Would you like to introduce yourself? Sure, yeah, I can pop in here. Thank you so

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much. Happy for the introduction and bringing me to this beautiful podcast. My name is Ombaya

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and this is a name that was given to me when I was living as a nomad in a tent in Hawaii and I was

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reading womb awakening, a really famous book around womb work. Yeah, many people know that one

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and I was asking what the name of my womb is and it came through. I was, oh wow, yeah.

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So I heard Ombaya, Ombaya and I am a DJ, that's one of my passions and I was looking for a DJ name

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and it just felt so natural for it to be Ombaya, Ombaya raw. So Ombaya raw is my artist name and

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my names have been changing as I'm going through my life. I'm on a precipice of a new one.

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Oh yeah, but right now, yeah, it's beautiful. I always thought knowledge.

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We'll get a lot of inside knowledge in this podcast together.

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You know, names and changing names, I used to look at that and be like, no way. I always would roll my

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eyes at the people who are changing their names all the time. I thought it was so silly. And as I've

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gone through this journey of life, I'm 35 now and as I've just lived so many different lives in

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so many renditions of myself, I can actually see how it has been very supportive for my journey.

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Yeah, right? Have you changed your name? I haven't, but it's interesting because I run a

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women in business circle and it was actually earlier this evening and we were talking about the

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version of ourselves that we are now and when that older version of yourself reappears, how do

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you greet them and how do you not let them take back over if it's like fears or self-doubt?

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And I imagine if each version had a name, how much easier that would become?

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Yeah, greet them all the way, and respect and gratitude for where they got you to. But yet,

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you're in the version of yourself right now. Yeah, I have Casey is my childhood name, the name

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that like my old friends call me, my family calls me, it's like very endearing and then I have

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Umbaya, which is my DJ name and my artist name and also just like the name I've been carrying since

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I really started my Saturn return and went into a deep portal within myself and now I was given

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the name Gaya, yeah, by Hype and Bali and I've been still embodying that name. It's like that name

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came. It was such a big beautiful name and it's been hard to fully own and claim, but that's kind of

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the place I'm at now. So if anyone listening, if you're ever going through wanting to change your name

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and be called something new, I actually think it's an incredible way to step into a new chapter,

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a new aspect of yourself, still including everything that you are. I just feel we, you know,

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it's the aquarium age. We get to break limits, push boundaries, do things that are new and edgy and

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changing your name can be one of those things to actually have to tell people, this is what my name is

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and then having to adjust to it. Sometimes there's a lot of pushback, you know. I can't imagine my

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mum being like, "What do you want me to call you now?" I mean, it's just another,

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what I am loving is this concept of like self-definition and how much, that sounds so simple

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when you say it like that, but how much particularly as women in business, we are meant to fit into

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a pre-existing system and therefore we're defined by that. And so stepping into our power and whatever

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feels right for whoever, it just, I love it, it makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you so much for

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sharing that. I was like an unexpected introduction, but I'm amazing that perfectly led into what

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we're going to talk about. I love it. Well, I have known you, obviously your Instagram is Gaya Speaks

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and I know your name as Ombaya and I first came across you through the Crypto Queens group,

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which I mean, I could share a lot about my personal crypto journey, but that's not what we're here for,

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but you just were the right person. You know that saying when the student is ready, the master will appear?

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And I just, because it was like, I was just like ready to tap, I had had a bad experience and then I

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tapped back into it and I just kept feeling called back to it and then I listened to, I think it was

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a podcast you were on and that's how I discovered you initially. So I would love to hear about how

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this kind of awakened path began for you and how it has shaped your approach to business.

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Beautiful, not a great question. So yeah, I think when I was a child, I definitely was already pretty

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tapped into other energies connecting with animals. I always wanted to be a witch.

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I was really pulled. I was really pulled into books where there was witches and vampires and spells

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and flying and anything with magic. Yeah, anything with magic. Yeah, I really, I really believed

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magic was real and then of course we go on our heroes journey to re-remembering that all of that

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actually is real. And women who've gone with me. I, oh, such a beautiful book, probably a staple for

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anybody on their journey into claiming their femininity and reconnecting. And yeah, where I can say

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where I guess it really probably started like a key point is I was going through a breakup and,

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you know, how breakups tend to bring you deeply into yourself. Yeah. And I had just emerged also

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from my first burning man. And so it was coming out of burning man, going through a big breakup and

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getting suggested a therapist. And the therapist I got suggested to ended up being a Kundalini Kuru.

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No joke. He's under change. I'm like going to see him under change. I show up and there's a guy with a

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huge beard and a turban. And he's who's sitting in front of me. And I remember thinking it was the

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strangest thing. I'm like, what is going on? And I remember he, he was like, okay,

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I want you to stop straightening your hair because I had straightened my curly curly hair for 10,

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12 years. Yeah. Wow. Really. And I was maybe 26 around this time. So yeah, I've been longer. And

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he's like, grow out your armpit hair and your leg hair. And he was in the best reaction like,

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I was so curious. Yeah. I was so curious because I'm like, I'm thinking I'm going into a talk therapy session.

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I end up thinking to go to a guy who's telling me to start meditating, to grow out my hair,

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goes through my birth profile, looks at my body's radiance, like is going doing like yogic numerology.

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And, um, yeah, it was. And so I listened to him. I went sober. I stopped drinking because I was deep

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into drinking culture, living in a city. You know, you go to work and then on the weekends, you drink.

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And it's just kind of normal life. But I stopped drinking, mm-hmm. Yeah. I stopped drinking, stopped

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doing my hair, stopped shaving. I started going to a static dance. I started dancing, like liberating

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energies and connecting to people sober. And I just, you know, started the tarot cards and the

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incense and just started getting into all these things that were self reflective tools. Yeah.

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To get to know myself. And I don't think I've ever really sat. I won't say I would have an ever

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sat and self reflection, but at that point it had been many years because I was just on this work

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train of just trying to survive and make it to the next bar, hopefully meet the next person.

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You know, it was just a chaotic kind of lifestyle. Yeah. So then I just started deeply falling

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into these self reflection tools and learning about manifestation and how I could actually be

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the director of my own life. Yeah. Beautiful. And I think that's when it all took place.

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I love that. Thank you so much for sharing. When you started, when you first met this

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guru, did you, was it then like, like, you're awakening began? Like, you had just had the blindfold

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taken of or was it more of a gradual thing? Yeah. It's been a gradual thing. Of course, it just

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continues the layers, just continue to reveal themselves, but I was really dedicated. Like, I went

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into celibacy. I went into meditating every single day for 45 days while doing Kundalini mantras

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and song. And that's when I started getting into like a little bit of plant medicine, like,

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hape and yeah, started just fully making that my new devotion. And so it happened quickly,

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but it also, it's happened slowly, if I like, zoom out. But the the change of going from

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KC, working out of sales job, nine to five all men, like wearing high heels and push up bras and

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curly hair. I mean, straight hair. Straight hair. Yeah. Yeah. And into like coming in, like barefoot,

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like, I ended up getting fired from that job actually because I just, is so rapidly changing.

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Handle who I was. Yeah. I mean, isn't that the the thing is, you know, we make these changes.

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And I was actually talking about this with somebody yesterday. Now I forget that the way we live

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is not the way everyone lives. And I'm in this like, beautiful bubble where everything's, you know,

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this way. And then I like integrate myself into wider society. And I'm like, oh, right. Like,

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it's not normal to breastfeed here or it's not normal to eat organic here. Or, you know, whatever

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that might be. And I find it so interesting where those entry points are and those touch points are,

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but also like what makes the difference between someone who given a touch point and given an entry

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point into an awaken path takes it or doesn't. You know, it's so interesting. And sometimes we

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all often come back. And sometimes I have found in my personal journey, I've had to go right to

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the edge to find out then how many paces back I was in my most comfortable. Does that make sense?

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Like I've had to go, I've had to test something right to the very edge because that's just my personality

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type. And then, and then I'm like, actually, no, I think I was comfortable maybe five steps ago.

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So what drew you into the world of crypto?

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So I truly, I just wanted them rich, honestly.

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This thing because money gives us so much joy. And I was tired of living in survival.

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Yeah. And I went on a journey to Bali and Thailand in 2000.

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And it was my first time. And I was meeting so many people who were just like living in Asia and not

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working. And I'm struggling on my phone, like trying to be a personal assistant for someone on the

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other side of the world. And, and I'm, how are you guys doing this? And everybody was saying crypto,

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crypto, crypto. Wow. So that was my first introduction where I was like, okay, people are living off of

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crypto. Of course, I've heard about crypto for so many years. And I have kind of an understanding of

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what it is, but I didn't know, you know, you could live off of it or I didn't, I didn't get it. So

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sorry, so I was kind of the, yeah, was that the line dropped when you started? Yeah. Oh, uh, uh, 2017.

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Okay. Okay. That feels like a long time ago, but crypto, like, I feel, I mean, now, I guess most people

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you talk to know what crypto is. They might not know. They've probably heard of it. Do you, do you think?

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I think most people have heard of Bitcoin in Ethereum, but they have no idea what that event is.

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Yeah, exactly. They've heard of it, but it's not something that they're familiar with or really

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understand. So imagine like back in 2017, it's, it's like in a circle knowledge. Yes. Yes. And

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even when I tried to get into it then, I remember I had a friend who sat down and helped me put

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money in and buy my first coins. I had no idea what he did. It was like, I could not even redo or

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understand what I was looking at. He was like, okay, it's done. And I'm like, okay. Now what? And he's

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like, no, he's just wait, you know, and I ended up getting hacked and scammed and lost losing that

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money. I had no idea what I was doing. I was just, he just did it for me and then he just left me

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with nothing. And right now it's so much easier to onboard into crypto than it's ever been.

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But back then it was still really weird and challenging. And so, so yeah, I had no idea, I had no idea

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how to do it or what it did, but I knew that people made money through it. And so fast forward,

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you know, to 2020, I had a, I had a chunk of money to invest thanks to COVID. And I knew I needed to

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make this money work. I was, I knew I could not just spend all this money again and just be

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as viable again. I needed to find a vehicle to take the money I had and to multiply it. And I was

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learning about investing, which I never even thought about before really, you know, I don't think

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we're really taught investing or how to invest. Maybe some people's parents have helped them along

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in the stock market. But I think money education is really lacking in this world. And, I'm sure.

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I mean, I miss my push it, the push the conversation in a certain direction I don't mean to, but it's

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also like a layer of control, right? If we don't know, then we just keep turning up for the nine to five

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and keep ticking along. So it's almost like, like, what am I trying to say? It's like that is withheld

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from everyone except certain people so that we cannot be self-inbeings. Yeah, I think, I think there's

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truth in what you say for sure. And it also, yeah, when you don't have money, you don't think in those

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ways of how can I multiply it or make more or save it or invest it. You're just trying to buy yourself

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and pay your rent. And so the mind just doesn't even have time to learn those concepts. Yeah. So whether it's

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like technology or not, it's more like there's just no bandwidth for that kind of talk. There's just no

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interest. And so I got to a point where I started seeing, I actually have an experience where a friend

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that I lived within Hawaii when I named myself on Baya, I was living in a tent. She was living in a shed.

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And I want her become a multi-millionaire online. When I saw her doing it, I knew I could do it. I was like,

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I know, I know her. We live closely. We came from the same place. If she can do it, I can do it.

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It was like this big confirmation in my life that like, I also had the power and I could start to see

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this is not just about luck or about, you know, it doesn't have to be years and years and years and years

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and years of staying at one job and working hard like this can be something that can happen rapidly

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and quickly. And there's a formula and it takes discipline. And of course it takes sacrifice and

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focus and attention and nurturing to then take off in business. It's not easy. I think business is

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one of spiritual ventures. One can go on actually, especially if you become self-employed and you start

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doing something that you love. Yeah. But yeah, it was just that thought finally of like, I can become

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wealthy. And the next time I have money, I'm going to invest it. And that's exactly what I did. I

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only invested and crypto invested in myself. And I got my first course of, you know, learning how to

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create offerings. So just that alone was that belief is actually what seeded all of it.

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I love that. And it's like that absolute knowledge that it will happen.

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So that's actually really interesting and leads into the next question, which is

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as someone who blends spirituality because you said in the beginning you wanted to get rich.

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And but I also know of the plans that you have for growing that wealth. And that's beyond just

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getting rich. Yeah. And it is. And it is. There's, you really blend spirituality, activism, entrepreneurship,

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and I would love to know how you define success. Yeah. Beautiful question. I just want to reflect

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really quick before I answer around me saying, I want to get rich for so long when I heard the word

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rich, it made me cringe inside. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't want to say it. I didn't want to admit it.

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The people who were rich or people I like or people who I felt were this way or that way. And

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so just to be able to share that statement in it's true entirely when I was there, it was my,

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my thought. And it was really so yes, I could have choices. And I could do the things that I want

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to do, which in turn, I believe are things that really help not just me, but a collective

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group of people. And for me, success truly what it looks like is happiness. Yeah. Yeah. I think

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happiness for me is true success. I think success is family and connection and friends and good food

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and beautiful moments. And I, that's really what my heart wants to create more and more of is just

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beautiful moments because this life is so precious. And so when I feel what my success is and if I were to

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take myself like 20 years forward and then look back and be like, wow, I was so successful.

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Yeah. I think it would just be all of the moments and memories where I felt joy and happiness and

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also sadness. You know, this beauty and the whole experience and you can't have one without the other.

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But as you speak, yeah. Yeah. And as you speak about so beautifully sharing, thank you. I'm so happy

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that you can see in my work and what I've been sharing and putting out in the world that you can feel

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that though I am looking forward to being able to do all those beautiful things. Yeah. It really,

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it really ties into wanting to just do all those beautiful things which is build community.

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Yeah. I love it so much. Thank you. Together. Error, they're good. Yeah. I think quite often,

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yeah. We're because I work with conscious businesses but have a particular niche in women in

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business and quite often when I ask that question before people have really reflected on it,

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we are taught that success equals revenue or profit. And actually, like, yes, perhaps it does,

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but what for you is you're in, you know, a really believe in success is only going to happen if you

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have already defined what that success means to you and you cannot measure yourself with someone

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else's definition of success. Thank you. Yes. What advice would you give to women looking to bring

00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,960
more intubation or spiritual practice into their business model?

00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:59,280
In touch with your heart, creating content and creating things that support

00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:10,880
what your heart is calling because if the business is pulling you more into the rushing and doing,

00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:18,160
doing, doing, it's probably not coming from your heart because you do things from your heart. It's a,

00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:27,440
it's a close feedback loop. It comes back, right? There's like a circulation that can happen between

00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:38,880
you and your, your clients. Yeah. You know, I was, I just, I have to come back again. It's just pulling at me

00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:49,120
that of this word of rich and how actually it doesn't have to mean money or assets, right?

00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:56,560
Absolutely. I mean, rich is being plentiful and being abundant and we want to be abundant.

00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:06,720
All aspects of life, not just just in financials, but in every, every part of our lives.

00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:14,960
Yeah. I love that. Thank you for clarifying that. And that's so interesting you said

00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:24,320
to bring that intuition and that spirit, trailty into business is operating from a place of heart.

00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:34,720
And I, you know, I feel women are particularly gifted at doing that and from leading from that

00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:44,640
place of intuition and heart space rather than headspace. And so often we are told we're being too

00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:58,560
emotional or, yeah. And we're, I guess, deterred from operating that way. But in my experience,

00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:09,200
when women are able to tap into that or return to that, let's say, that's when the beauty really

00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:17,200
happens. And that's when the richness, again, not just talking about money, but that's when

00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:25,600
the richness comes because you're using the assets and skills that we have as women in a business

00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:32,000
setup. And what's really interesting to me, we've spoken on the slow circle before. I think it was

00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:39,040
way back in episode number one is that, you know, the traditional business model was created by

00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:44,960
men, for men simply because women weren't really in business back then when it was created. And so a lot

00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:51,280
of people think that a matriarchy is the same as a patriarchy with a hierarchical structure, but just

00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,920
women in those places instead of men. But actually when women come together, they tend to form a circle.

00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:05,600
And we not only can hold space for our own hearts, but support each other as well. And you have done

00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:15,200
that so beautifully in your crypto queens group. And the way that, I mean, it's such a gorgeous

00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:21,280
community, right? There were people in there. It's like really supportive. And everybody's just there

00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:27,600
answering questions and sharing resources and trying to hold space for each other, no matter what

00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:35,920
stage of the journey you're at. And that's really gorgeous because, you know, the crypto world has often

00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:43,600
been criticised as male dominated. And so I'd love to know, talking, bringing everything we've

00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:50,560
spoken about already into reference, what has your experience been like as a woman in that space?

00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:02,880
It's been so easy and so empowering because there's not so many. So amazing.

00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:10,560
Luckily I've had my husband who's been in the space for nine, 10 years. So he was able to hold my hand.

00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:18,560
And it's beautiful that he included me so much and that he didn't, he didn't do it for me.

00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:26,640
He taught me. He never wanted to hold my coins or to do crypto for me. He was like, if you do this,

00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:34,160
you're sovereign and you learn it yourself. So that was that was beautiful. And I feel being a woman

00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:42,000
in the space, I've gotten such an edge. And so it's been just so empowering to bring us to other women

00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:48,320
and have them teach their husbands. And it just feels like a really beautiful way to

00:30:49,120 --> 00:31:00,640
um yeah to just bring wealth of others from a feminine perspective that's way

00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:09,040
more hands off and just allowing for the ebbs and flows of the charts to show us.

00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,240
I love that word, allowing. Uh yeah.

00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Yeah. There's there's a something that wants to come through around something you said earlier around

00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:28,480
how do we bring spirituality into business? And it's actually I feel more

00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:35,520
how do you view all of your life, including your business as your spiritual path? Because

00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:41,760
we don't step into spirituality. We are spirit. And we're remembering that we're spirit. And so

00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:48,160
everything that happens in your life is divinely guided by something bigger than you rather

00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,600
whether someone sees it or not, but we can't be separate from it. So whatever you're doing in your

00:31:53,600 --> 00:32:00,560
business, it is that. And it's just about bringing more of yourself into your business, more of who

00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:10,480
you are into your business and allowing that spirit to take hold of it and to and to make your

00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,520
business be something bigger than just this thing that makes you money so you can live.

00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:22,160
What if it was something that your vision and goal was something so much bigger that could help so

00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:30,880
many more people? We look at our business from place, it actually brings in more energy and more

00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:38,560
inspiration than just doing it for us and maybe our co-workers, you know, it's it's about doing it for

00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:46,720
the world. That's a good one. And you know, I think that's the best answer to that question I've ever had.

00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:55,840
That's so good, so beautiful. And you know, it's so true like what we are really just the vessel,

00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:03,040
it's not about us, like expressing what we need to express. It's coming through us. And sometimes we

00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:09,280
can just get in our own way when we have fear or self-doubt or ego. And if we can step out of

00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:14,720
the way, that actually is the best thing we can do because then it flows and that's when it's

00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:23,840
you're more likely to be able to contribute that mission to the world. And you know, I've been really

00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:31,760
open about my goals, obviously right now we support the businesses that we support. But eventually

00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:38,400
I would love to start a fund where we can support women who don't have the capital to start their

00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:47,440
own businesses to get up and up and to, and I just there were so many beautiful things that we could do

00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,760
if we move out of our own way. And I say that from a personal experience.

00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:58,880
But when you figure out how to do that and you realise and recognise that it is your spiritual path,

00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,720
I mean you just said it perfectly. I love that. Thank you so much.

00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:12,720
And I'd love to know what your thoughts are on how how do we make crypto more accessible

00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:20,400
and inviting for women, especially from underrepresented communities. I mean you have had,

00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:26,160
you say you've had an amazing, I love that. You've had such an amazing experience

00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:35,760
as a woman in crypto. Do you think that that's a common experience of women in crypto?

00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:45,280
It really is going to come down to who your teacher is every time because if you don't have

00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:51,600
enough direction and support, which I didn't have at the beginning, right, which is why I also got

00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,160
scammed and lost all my money. And there's so many stories of people doing this

00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:03,360
of coming into crypto and it ending up being a disaster because they don't know what they're doing

00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:09,120
or they get scammed, something happens. You know it's a very wild, wild, west space,

00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:15,200
even though it's getting more accessible as time goes on. I mean you can buy Bitcoin and Ethereum

00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:23,600
on the stock market now. You know it's really, really changing. So it's getting easier but really you need

00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:32,960
to have somebody that has lived long embodied experience because I have seen people that don't have

00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:40,720
that and the way they teach it, I just, it doesn't agree with me and a lot of people who are on YouTube,

00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:48,400
the way that they're teaching it is really just benefiting themselves. And so I've been blessed again

00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:56,720
to have somebody that lives from the heart and was able to teach me in a way where I was able to skip

00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:06,000
doing their, you know, seven years of mistakes and get that wisdom and then come in much openness

00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:13,600
from that but also from his experience. I learned and so I didn't have to make those mistakes myself.

00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:21,280
So I think that's the best part about finding a mentor is that they've done it, they embody it,

00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,240
they've lived it, they've gone through the lessons so then they can save you time in money,

00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:31,840
so much time in money. Right, because actually that's the thing like a lot of people think that having

00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:39,120
a mentor is going to cost them and then that is what, that's the reason they give for not doing that

00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:44,400
but actually like you said if it can put you seven years ahead and save you seven years of

00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:52,480
the wrong lesson or you know what I mean, learning things the hard way, you know, why wouldn't you do it?

00:36:52,480 --> 00:37:01,600
And for me, you know, I also had a bad experience, I just trusted the wrong person.

00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:08,960
And so I was in a really vulnerable place about wanting to go back into crypto

00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,840
and trying to learn stuff myself but just thinking like I don't even know who to listen to,

00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:23,200
you know. And so when I discovered what you were doing, it felt like great, okay, so this is a woman

00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:35,840
and that immediately I really appreciated that and also your wisdom and the journey you've been on

00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:42,720
and how accessible you make it. You know, when I first did your course, I was thinking,

00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:47,920
you know, this is going to go like way over my head but you make it so easy to understand.

00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:56,080
And I think that that's the answer to me is how do we make it more accessible and inviting,

00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:07,200
is by removing those barriers and you know, creating and sharing knowledge and experience

00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,400
and supporting each other.

00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:20,880
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I definitely think I could notice my gift in explaining things really simply

00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:28,800
as being more of a beginner than somebody who's taught, has 10 years in the field talking about it.

00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,400
I was able to break down the whole thing.

00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:39,600
Mm-hmm. Because I could see people who have been in the field for a long time talk about crypto and I mean,

00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:50,880
I've been in now since 2017 but I only got really serious in 2020. So compared to other people,

00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:57,280
you know, I only have five years. People have doubled that then. But what I noticed is the way that

00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:03,120
they would explain it because they forget what a beginner's mind is and what it's like.

00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:12,320
So they go quickly over topics or subjects that need more explaining and so yeah, I think I

00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:18,800
had a gift to just explain it very simply and I can explain things really quickly.

00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:28,080
But hit all the points that are needed. I'm good at not drifting too much into details even though I love,

00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:37,200
like I'm actually, it's funny. I'm not as detailed and that can sometimes be a gift because instead of

00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:43,760
having to get into all the things and crannies of everything, it's like I can just extract what I

00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:51,600
feel is important to get the task done. Do you know that if you have the phobia index? No, I've never

00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:57,040
heard of it. It's really interesting. It's like, you know, like there's all these different personalities

00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:03,680
tests you can do. But the colory index is really interesting because it's, it's like, what order do you

00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:10,880
take action in and how you would react in certain situations? So you can have fact find a

00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:19,920
follow through quick start and implementer and then like you have a certain amount out of 10

00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,640
for which one and it goes in order of what you would take action in. And you sound very similar

00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:31,280
to me. I'm a 5 out of 10 fact finder which means I only need the essential facts and anything

00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:44,160
more than that is just waste of space. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to know what colory index is. It's

00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,600
really interesting actually when you're building teams to have we used to have what we hired to do the

00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,640
colby index because if you have too many people that are quick stars, like I'm actually a 10 out of 10

00:40:54,640 --> 00:41:01,840
quick start, like a hundred ideas before breakfast. And if you have too many quick starts, no one ever

00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,640
completes anything or organizes anything or creates any processes. Everyone is just flying on like

00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:14,080
on full cylinder the whole door. Whereas if you have too many people with follow through,

00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,400
they're so busy organising the information that nothing ever actually gets started.

00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,280
Because they'll have to organise everything they start or if you attend a 10 fact finder they're stuck

00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,120
in research phase. So it's really interesting when you're brought up to use how those different

00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:35,840
profiles fit together. But I love what you said about just having the essential facts. And actually,

00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,520
I mean maybe it's for you. You obviously know yourself very well. But what I have found is it's not

00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,560
a lack of attention to detail. It's sometimes it's more just okay, I've got the essential facts now.

00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:56,480
Yeah, yeah, it resonates with me. But you don't have to check that. Yeah, you should. Let me know what you think.

00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:02,560
I don't, you know, it's easy to just do the test online and then they send you all this information.

00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:11,040
It's really interesting. But when you said that you make things simplified, I think that's why it feels

00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:17,600
so accessible and so inviting. Because there's also this community that you've built around it. And

00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:26,000
you know in the chat how supportive it can be in that there are some like real community

00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:34,480
figureheads almost that like share so willingly and so supportive. And again, it's like when

00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,120
women come together, they form a circle, right? There's equal space for everyone and support for

00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:46,720
everyone. And you have built that so beautifully? Wow, I'm honestly I'm so blessed.

00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:53,680
Because I think it's, I really think it's incredible the way the women have been showing up in that

00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:59,280
group and the women have more time. They put more into it and the women who have less time. They

00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:05,680
don't have to because the other people are there and available and it's been such a beautiful

00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:12,720
synergy in that group. I just feel so grateful and you know we're doing this together. It's not

00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:19,840
that we're all having our own crypto bags and we're all trying to make our money so we can just

00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:27,440
be at home and pay for our lives. Everyone's doing it with the heart of we want to build community.

00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:33,280
We see what's going on in the world. We don't want to subscribe to that. We believe in something bigger.

00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:41,120
And so we're doing this together. And I think that's been the really, I've led with that message

00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:49,520
from the beginning and so that has been the foundation of the whole group. And I think that's why

00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:55,440
it's come together in such a beautiful way because it's not just about learning crypto. It's really about

00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:04,160
reclaiming sovereignty and community and coming together and watching the entire financial system

00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:12,640
flip on itself and choosing a decentralized path rather than a centralized path. And I just got

00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:25,120
I'd love to know how you reconcile the rapid pace and the volatility of crypto

00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,200
with the slower cyclical wisdom you channel in your work.

00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:44,080
Well, I'm not perfect. I'm still working on, you know, I still have, I still have my patterns of

00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:51,600
scarcity that come up and fears that come up for sure and that because I feel like that so

00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:57,840
yeah, I'm going to people who are like right at the beginning, you know. Yeah, yeah, there's where

00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,840
it, you know, I you've heard the expression we're like an onion, right? There's just like so many

00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:08,880
layers to get to the to get to the core. And so I still work through it. I'm still working through it.

00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:16,880
But I use my my meditation and what I weave in my spiritual practice to support my nervous system

00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:24,880
and my emotional body and try to stay focused on the plan. It's really helpful to have, you know,

00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,720
the structure of the masculine to hold me and not as well and to bring the plan in again and again

00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:36,880
and again. And I think he's done that so many times by now that I just am in such a place of trust.

00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:44,000
So when it's a volatile, I try to look at it as opportunity. Like when it's down, I'm like, okay,

00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:50,320
it's opportunity when it's up is actually when I feel more stress in my body. Yeah, because

00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:56,160
there is an aspect of like, okay, this money's here. Do we take it out? Do we allow it to grow?

00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:04,160
What do we do? You know, that's when kind of some of more of my anxiety will maybe come into the space.

00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,680
But actually, I bet my, I mean, most people probably wouldn't a thought of that.

00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:17,280
Yeah, I know. It's something you have to experience when it's down. It's really like everyone's just

00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:25,040
kind of like, oh, okay, the energy's low. It's not people may be feeling disappointed. And yeah,

00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,680
if I didn't know anything about crypto and I was coming in and I'm watching my investments

00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:38,000
and I put money in and the next day it's dropped half 50%. Of course, that's going to start to trigger

00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:48,400
your foundation, your root chakra, you know, scarcity patterns. And I think once you

00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:54,560
get used to that, it's like you start to clock it in your, your body, you're like, okay,

00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,680
it's happened again. Okay, it didn't mean I lost it. It just means right now that investment is

00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:07,280
down, but whatever is down must go up and vice versa. So it's really to me when things start to

00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,400
crank up and the money's there is where and I start to feel like the bigger squeeze

00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:20,400
because the energy builds, right? So that's actually the harder part for me. The volatility is

00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:28,880
something you just get used to as you get practice in the game. So when those peaks or spikes

00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,840
happen and you start feeling that anxiety building, how, how do you personally stay grounded

00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:54,320
with that? For me, it's knowing my goals, having a plan set out beforehand and staying up to date,

00:47:54,320 --> 00:48:01,440
so really staying involved with the conversation. And something about getting the information

00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:08,560
and staying involved in the conversation tends to help. I think, I mean, I could say like, oh yeah,

00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,840
of course, like my meditation practice helps. Of course, my working out at the gym helps. Of course,

00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:22,160
time helps, but everyone's going to have to go through whatever experience that they go through.

00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:28,400
And if you have the community support, that's probably going to be the best answer.

00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:40,080
I get that. Well, we have worked through a lot of questions. We have one which is the question that

00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:47,280
we actually asked at all the guests, exact same question each time. And that is, what is one

00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:54,480
piece of advice you would give to slow business owners? And we're using slow in the term, in the way

00:48:54,480 --> 00:49:01,200
that we use it, which is conscious and sovereign and considered, and or someone that's considering

00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:11,760
becoming a conscious entrepreneur. One piece of advice. So beautiful because I just started a new

00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:19,760
business. It's called elevation. I was going to say, yeah, yeah, it's a community and it's how to

00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:27,120
slow start. And so I'm in not only like the expansion of one business, but also in the slowness of

00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:38,000
another business. And so the advice that I'm learning by being in that slowness and that period of

00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:48,320
uncertainty and doubt is that that uncertainty and that doubt and that fear, it always

00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:59,360
transforms. So not getting too attached to what's going on now and focusing more on where you're going

00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:07,920
and knowing that you'll hit a high point at some point, just like you're in point. So it's just

00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:15,200
sticking with it long enough to see the caterpillar turned into a plot. Yeah.

00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:24,720
Being in that cocoon space and allowing for that to move because it will move and you will see

00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:31,440
success. It just can take time and in that time you're going to learn so much about yourself. So

00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:39,920
just stay with it. Wow. That's beautiful. I love that. And that really resonates with me. You know,

00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:47,680
I've started scaled and sold several businesses now and they have not all grown at the same pace.

00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:55,680
They've all had different speeds at which the growth has happened and peaks and dips and

00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:03,280
you do learn so much about yourself. It's an opportunity really, but there's so much trust

00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:11,920
that's required of that. Sometimes that's the hard part, isn't it? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I'll be

00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,600
just so transparent. You know, in this new business venture, I've gotten to points where I

00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:27,040
just spend a whole week being like, I'm done. I'm done. I'm given too much of myself. I feel so

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stretched thin. It's costing so much. It's just I'm finished, you know, and just like allowing myself to go

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there. I'm not wearing those. And then you know, I don't know if you can even start a business without

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having those moments. So it's just part of the whole journey. So just allow it to move through

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and you'll find yourself again. But oh man, like I said at the beginning of the podcast,

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it is business has been one of the most spiritual journeys.

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Yeah. It really is. And it's in some it's like a part of your soul is tied up in that business.

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And every business you have, there's another piece of your soul that gets, you know,

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trans-muted into that. And you know, I've spoken often on the podcast about my previous,

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just before this brand, the simple folk and how actually when that changed hands, I had like a year

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of who am I without this. It was so wrapped up in my self-worth and self-identity.

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Because you are so intrinsically tied up with your business. It's not like a work-life balance,

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is it? It's all just life. Oh, yeah. Yeah. When you start your own business, it's not like you're saying,

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you can just clock out at the end of the day and it's done, you know, usually it's following,

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it's following you into your entire life 24/7, because you were the heart of it, you're the

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pulse of it, right? You're the center of it. And so it's not just like showing up to a job and

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clocking in and clocking out, it's like really your creation. So not a act showing up for someone else

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into your own creation, take whole another level of responsibility. And I honor everyone who's

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doing that and taking that path because it really is a path that I feel everyone will just grow so

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much, learn so much. I would never take it back. I'm really grateful for my journey and entrepreneurship.

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And I think it really does take a soul into a whole another level of themselves and getting to know

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themselves. Wow. What an amazing point to end it on. That amazing. Thank you so much for joining me

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on the Slow Circle podcast. I will share obviously the recording when it is ready and live with you,

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but we should also make sure that we share links to everything that you're doing so that people can

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find you and find out more about all of your different projects. But thank you so much for

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turning up and being so honest and raw and vulnerable and just really authentic. I've really enjoyed

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the conversation. Me too. Thank you so much. Right. Okay. Well, everybody else will see you next time.

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