Ep. 4 pt 1: Navigating Burnout and How Aligning with Passion and Purpose has Shaped EVERYTHING in our Slow Business Journey

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Hi, I'm Amy and this is Abi. Hi! We are serial entrepreneurs, joint co-founders, sisters and

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all, and friends. We've scaled and sold multiple businesses over the years, but we've also learned

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there's a lot more to business than profit. We've had a real awakening over the last six to 12 months

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and we're very excited to have you join us on our journey as we learn more about slow and considered

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business and how it has the power to change the world. Welcome to the Slow Circle, a podcast for

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mindful business owners or wannabe business owners or just conscious people who work in business and

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I feel like I should say a new year, but when we release this is not going to be new. Exactly. This

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episode will not be the new year one. No, I don't actually know when it will end up being.

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It's probably not news to anyone, but we haven't said it yet on the podcast, so I feel like I should say

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that I am pregnant. I'm 32, nearly 32 weeks pregnant, but yeah, I'm just imagining

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that this comes out. It will be, well, don't know. Yes, that will be exactly. Exactly. Yeah, exciting.

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That's quite a scary thought, isn't it? It is, but then I feel like you look back and you're like,

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I can't imagine the world existing without this person in it, you know? Yeah. That's

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and we are also trying to record this remotely for the first time, so hopefully that works well.

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So fingers crossed on that. Is it anything else we want to just say before we get going really,

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in it, dive into the topic? Well, I feel like maybe we should even though it's not

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the official new year when everyone heals, he appeals. Maybe that's actually a premonition of what I was

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about to say. You already hear that. I just have this feeling and so many people that I've spoken

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to have had rubbish like two, three, four year periods, and I just have this really deep, I don't

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know, sense of knowing, I guess, that 2025 is going to be a game changer. Yeah, loads of, yeah, I feel

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like lots of people feel that and there's a lot of unknowns still, but there's this real sense of

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peace and trust and faith in it all just being well. But yeah, even though it's not the brand new year

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anymore when everyone hears this, I still feel like that's an important acknowledgement and that's

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kind of how we're stepping into this space as we ramp up more podcasts.

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I think that's a really nice, a really nice way to start really because yeah, by the time we

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do listen back to this and it is out there, hopefully those things will be, you know,

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a lot of those things that people might be, I don't know, stressing about or worrying about

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at the time of recording it now, will all of work, they're all out and yeah, something nice

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in that just trusting that things, things will work the way out.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Okay, well, the topic for today is finding your passion at work or in your business

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and does perfectionism kill inspiration? So kind of two different points there, really, and I don't know,

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I'm sure we've got loads to say on the first point, so I don't know how much we'll really get into

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the second bit. Let's see how it goes. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I've got loads to say, but I don't know if you

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want to start, the first kind of question on that point is how much passion do you feel and have

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you felt in your jobs or businesses over the years? That's such a good way of phrasing it, isn't it?

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Because I feel like sometimes we think of passion as an active thing, but actually, like,

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actually, etymologically it would be interesting to look at because the path is the same as path if,

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and I wonder whether there's something about its meaning that connects those two words.

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Yeah, but I do feel like we always think of being passionate. It's like a doing thing, right? And

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it's something we create and something we generate. And actually, I think that the best magic comes

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from when that passion is passive in a way, and we allow it to come to us. I've done a lot of

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learning and exploring of the notion of I'm not the one creating anything. The creation is coming

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through me and I'm the vehicle for which it is being expressed. I'm the one carrying it.

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And I feel like when I take a step back, when I have no ego about it, then the most beautiful,

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passionate, magical work comes. And I haven't always felt that over the years, and I now looking back

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can see that that's when I don't know how to, I guess, I was less fulfilled when I didn't feel that

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passion. And therefore, perhaps the business also suffered because I was no longer feeling inspired

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and passionate about what I was doing. So I think it is really important to like

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not try to be all things to all people and try to force that when it doesn't feel right.

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Like, you know, we say it to other people, don't we? All the time to other businesses, the best way

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of finding your passion, finding your niche, standing out in an oversaturated marketplace is actually

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just to remove the layers of the onion and be authentic to yourself. And I think that's a huge,

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a huge part of it. And the more authentic I have been to myself, my integrity, my values,

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the more my business, our business now has thrived. Yeah. And it's funny that you say that because

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actually what I was thinking was along the lines of how when we do work with other businesses and

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brands and we work with them on their essential truth, which I don't know if we've covered that in

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an episode that we would have already released or not yet, but the essential truth we always talk

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about is two questions that we ask a business owner, right? And you're probably going to be able to

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remember it better than me, but it's like one of them is why are you doing like what you're doing?

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Like what's the burning? Yeah. Like, it's passion, but like what's the force behind what you're doing?

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And then the other one is like what's the vehicle or the medium in which that you do it? Yeah.

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And actually a lot of the people get caught up on the the second part and they're like

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for example, I sell clothes. They think that's what their business is and that they have to be passionate

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about selling clothes, right? And actually we always say the most important bit is the bit of the

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beginning, the other question, which is like why are you doing it? And why do you have to do it? And

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that I think really is where the passion sits in that area rather than yeah, I think it's the

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product or a service that you offer. Yeah. Like if we were to apply to Rebrandr you could say

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we provide brands with marketing support or branding support and you'd be like, well,

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does that is that what you're really passionate about? I know I think I would say, well, I think it's

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a cool thing to do. Like I think it's a cool business concept. Yeah. And

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interest me, but I don't think that's what I'm passionate about. Like actually what we're passionate

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about is the way that we do it. Right. And the fact that we work with really amazing people,

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like we almost, I feel like, I say we select them, but they also find us, but like these amazing

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people that are conscious business owners, that care a lot, whether it's sustainability or

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using ethically or they just have really similar values to us. And the way that we work with them

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is fun and we respect each other and we're kind to each other. And we really feel that we can make

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a difference and we help them and can see that our work impacts their businesses and means other

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people get to know them and all of that. And that's right. Some almost like, that make you feel

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passionate. I'll be like, yeah, that's like, it's the expo-entering human connection element of it,

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which is, is actually the verb which we used right in our essential truth about for Rebrandr.

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And it's, and it's how do you inspire that human connection? It's connecting women in our

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women in business circle. It's connecting conscious businesses with each other. It's connecting

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two conscious businesses. It's connecting those conscious businesses to their customer base.

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It's so much about that and that gets me excited. That's what I'm here for, right? That's what we're

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both here or what we love about it. And like you said, the vehicle for which we do it is branding,

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is marketing, is mentoring, is holding events and retreats and circles. But actually

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those are the vehicle through which we do it. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I think when I,

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when I think of business owners that are kind of, perhaps not in a great headspare base or they're

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struggling with their business, I think sometimes they've almost got caught up in the, actually,

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the doing of the whatever the service or the product part of the business is. Absolutely. And they've

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lost that element of the passion that they felt, why they were doing it in the first place.

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I see it so often. In fact, I think I had like three conversations about it last week with other

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business owners where they said like, oh, well, we brought that brand in because it felt like other people

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were all doing that brand. So we needed to do it to be competitive, but it didn't do very well for us.

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Or people were requesting that I did more colors. So I picked this color to do one of my best selling

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products in and it didn't sell. And I feel like it's because you're doing what you feel other people

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want you to do, but you're not passionate about that. The best thing you can do is sell something

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that you would buy. Yeah. Yeah. Stay true to that. Yeah. Definitely.

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And I think obviously applying that to kind of our different work experiences, I think you can

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apply it to if you're a business owner, but also if you are working somewhere. I think, for example,

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sometimes perhaps it's not the business that you are passionate about, but it is the

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lifestyle that you get with it or the culture that's in that company. And I think like in my experience,

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like thinking back to, I'm sure people will be aware listening to this that you were co-founder or

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are a co-founder of Simplifake. Yeah. I wasn't a founder and wasn't an owner, but I started working

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there from the very beginning. Oh, yeah. It was like it was you as much as me for sure. But the, I guess,

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what I was going to say was actually the difference between us in that business, not just from you

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being a co-founder and me, not was, I think you did also have a passion for the product. Yeah.

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As in the part like the actual vehicle, like you were passionate about fashion,

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it was an interest and you were passionate about making children's wear that you couldn't find

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For your own children that you wanted to make sure you were comfortable in all of those things.

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And actually, I didn't have those passions, but what I did have was, but I was really passionate

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about my job because I was passionate about the culture that we created, the startup mentality,

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the fact that we were asking a lot of questions in the sustainability space and kind of doing

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things differently, like that was all really exciting and, you know, inspired me and that's

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what I felt passionate about. Yeah, so I'm still up to look at it, isn't it? Like not necessarily

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same passion, but if there is something you can be passionate about within that.

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Yeah, but it was enough like to be that I felt fully passionate, but then actually if you

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liked to fast forward then towards the end when I left, I think from an outward perspective,

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it would almost be difficult for anyone to understand why I would live left because

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nothing had changed on the what we were delivering. We were still children's wear

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ethical sustainable fashion brand, but from my perspective, it wasn't a start-up that I,

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one of, you know, getting to push those boundaries with or ask questions on sustainability

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anymore because we were more established. Yeah, it was a lot, you know,

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it was bigger, the culture, yeah, it changed the world's art, and it wasn't,

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yeah, so actually all the things that I was really passionate about in that business

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had kind of wasn't there anymore, even though the business itself hadn't really changed and

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it was the offering was the same. Yeah, so I suppose for anyone that is in not perhaps

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isn't a business owner that is working for another business, I think that is something that's

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really, really important, and I think you can find passion in your workplace, yeah, even if you

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are not super passionate about the product or the service, but yeah, I mean, I think people

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make a huge difference as well. Oh, I agree, and you know, I'm thinking like looking at the second

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question and I'm thinking on the flip side of what you've just said, so the second question is

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how important do you think passion is, and I feel like as a co-founder, hiring people that were

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passionate was the absolute most important thing, and I think it's really interesting because actually

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I feel like as a co-founder, yeah, of course in the beginning that person that you're hiring needs

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to be able to find and identify what they're passionate about that aligns with your business to

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themselves, but also, you know, hearing you speak, it makes me think that it's a responsibility as a

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co-founder to maintain that passion in your team, right? And to make sure that their reasons for

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being passionate remain and are encouraged, and because as soon as your team lose passion for what

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they're doing, it just impacts everything, like I'm really big believer in actually when someone is

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ready to leave and move on to something else, you just have to let them no matter how much you don't

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want them to, because when they don't want to be there, that's going to have the hugest ramifications

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for your business. Yeah, definitely, and it's like you're almost freeing up them and the business,

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right? If they don't feel that passionate anymore, definitely. Yeah, and I think there was an element

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of that as well, I think I felt that I was like, I don't feel like I'm in my most passionate

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vice being here anymore. Yeah. So yeah, I think from that perspective, but then, yeah, like going back to

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business owners and finding, kind of finding your passion within your business, I think

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another kind of lesson that we've learned recently is that sometimes you do have to give up

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things that don't fill you with passion, even if they're bringing in money or whatever, because

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the drain that they have on your energy is just not worth it. And I think it's a hard balance to get

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right at the beginning, because obviously you need money to survive as a business, and you need

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that money that's coming in, but yeah, I think we've had a really quite important and big lesson

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on that recently. Absolutely. And we did kind of step back and say this doesn't feel

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energetically good, and we let something go. It actually opened us up for much bigger,

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better things that we felt really good and really excited about. Absolutely. I mean, to put it

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into really blatant terms, we turned down a relatively small, but retain a based contract that would

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have been a lump of money each month, because it just wasn't the right fit for us in that moment.

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And the next month, we doubled our revenue to the previous month. Yeah. I mean,

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yeah, it doesn't say it any clearer than that, does it? Yeah, no. And at the time, it was a little bit

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nerve-racking, like, "Oh, should we be turning this down?" I mean, maybe it helped that it wasn't a huge

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retainer, but still, like, that's regular money coming in, but we both just felt like it,

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and we couldn't actually even really put our finger on why, right? It just didn't feel quite right.

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And so we turned it down, and then, yeah, the next month just exploded.

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Yeah. And yeah, it's the real exercise of trust and surrender for sure,

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for that, I do really believe in that, kind of, writing a list and writing down all the work within

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your business that really excites you and gives you energy and, you know, fills you up and then

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writing a list of all the stuff that you find really draining. Yeah. And it's not to say that you

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can necessarily always just drop all of those things. Yeah. Maybe it might be doing your account,

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saw something, you find draining, perhaps you can't give that up right now and you can't give it away

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to someone else, but I still think if you have that list, then it allows you to plan better,

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and to be like, "Well, I am doing it right now because of where I'm at, but I'm going to make sure I

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focus on these type, this type of work that really excites me, you know, I'm feel really passionate

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about, and that's going to lead me to a point where I will be able to hire someone to take that

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bit of work that I don't enjoy and take that away from me." And I feel like even just having a bit

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of like planning your head about that can be really... Yeah, definitely because you would

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say that there's an end inside and then when you know that, you can just get your head down and get

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it done in the meantime. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. But yeah, I think a lot of the time, well, when people start

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a business, they feel really passionate and then I think they can kind of lose it over time.

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Well, I'm looking at the certain question and thinking what... Yeah. Yeah, and it's a funny one

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because I don't feel like that is possible in this current business, but it has happened in previous,

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so I don't know, like... Yeah. Is it... You do actually have to re-ask those questions at the beginning of,

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what do I actually want from this? Like, we spoke about it a little bit before, but like the thing that

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I think we felt that we lost, like, this info, it was that small start-up business and actually,

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if we would have sat down and asked those questions at the beginning, maybe we didn't really want

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it to get as big as it did. Yeah. And, yeah. You know, so it's, it's, it's thinking about that.

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Yeah, I don't know if you have anything to add on, like... Yeah, well, I feel like...

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Oh, so, you know, for whatever reasons, we both

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exited for one of a better word.

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The simple folk, and we did it in different ways, right? Like, you were going off to get married,

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the timing made sense, you had a bit of a break in between doing things. And I mean, you tell me,

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do you think that having that break, having that space to decompress between things that you're doing

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helps? Like, do you think that that speeds up the process of finding your passion again?

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I think so, but I think I always find that. I think I need a bit of space to find...

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I mean, passion, yeah, maybe, but like inspiration in general, like, I know, I know 100%

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the one I'll go on maternity leave. I'll probably have 50 business ideas and lots of, you know,

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my brain, even if I'm busy, I feel like my brain will just have a bit of space to have ideas.

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Yeah, I do think, I do, yeah, I mean, I do think that there is something in that if you give yourself

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space, then more... Yeah, it's like that concept, isn't it, of contraction and expansion, like,

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like breathing? In order to inhale oxygen into our lungs, we have to contract those muscles first,

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to create space for the expansion to come. And that is such an amazing, incredible, simple,

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but yet powerful analogy to have always at the front of your mind, because I mean, that's the same as

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what we were just talking about with that retainer that we turned down. I feel like we have to contract

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that and say no. No, saying no is always a bad thing and we have this real hold-up in our culture,

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don't we, about saying no and pleasing people and doing it all and abundance, doing it all,

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no, abundance doesn't mean that, abundance means trust that it will come and it will come the right

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way and listening to your intuition when no is what is resounding inside you. And I feel like,

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for me, there was this probably element of which I did not understand how burnt out I was.

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I knew I was burnt out, but I did not understand the depths of that burnout and I feel quite emotional

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thinking about it now and even now how I'm still healing from all that. You know, we were talking

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the other way. I was stuck in that place of like doing rather than being and like, nervous system

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imbalance basically and we were talking the other day about how we went to Spain for a couple of months

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at the end of 2024 and I was so uncomfortable. I couldn't relax like it just felt like it,

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I thought I was in a good place and I had done a lot of healing and like now is the time for let's

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go and get a bit of a break, but actually my nervous system was still not settled enough to be able

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to enjoy like the travel and being in a different house and not having my comforts around me and

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dealing with the kids when they're out of their comfort zone and all of those things.

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And I feel like that's a different layer to finding your passion again and I think,

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like maybe I'm lucky that I'm actually just a very excitable person

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about like, I love new ideas and doing new things and you know like as soon as you

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had told me about your idea for a brand new, I was just like in with both the jumping wholeheartedly

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and at the same time like I knew

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probably before I did it that it was time for me to walk away and I like in it too when

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I imagine I'm not there yet because my children are still small but you have an 18-year-old

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that you need to allow to leave the house and go and live on their own and like manage their own

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life and you cannot continue to micromanage them to do that because then they will never be able

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to spread their wings fully and I feel like it got to that place like I was holding it back

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and for it to move on to what it needed to become next it was me that needed to take a step away

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but you know there's a lot of I mean this is probably a whole other podcast episode in itself but

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there's a lot of my own self-worth and self-identity that's tied up into that so of course there's

00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:10,960
some inner resistance to walking away but yeah like I would say I found a passion again very quickly

00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:17,680
in Rebrandr like you know I've done this kind of work consulting alongside everything anyway and I

00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:24,800
love supporting small businesses but having perhaps the energy and the it came from a different place

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it was still coming from that manifestation of doing rather than being so like generator manifestation

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rather than surrender manifestation and I think that that is what has shifted for me over the 2024

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yeah is that I have very much learnt to just drop into that trust and knowing and surrender manifestation

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and actually it would be interesting to talk at some point about how it is when you have more than one

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of you right as co-founders and when one of you is going on a journey does the other automatically

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have to go with them and does that mean that one of you holds the other back at any point or does

00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,960
it mean that the other one can pull the other one up like feel like that's a really interesting

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conversation to think yeah maybe we think about that because yeah I mean obviously I am going on

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maternity and I don't know how you will find it without me like I don't know I think when you've had

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time off before I think it I definitely feel I don't know when there's less you're getting your head

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more I think when you're on your own yeah I think you just need someone to talk with

00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:58,880
yeah yeah I also was just thinking when you were talking it almost sounds like like being

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being in a relationship you know like coming out of a long term relationship and your identities

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all caught up in that and then you know I think you have to get out of it and like we said I had a

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bit of space between then jumping into this but if you do jump straight into an next relationship

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like you almost haven't healed from last one and yeah it's quite funny really isn't it like I think

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we don't give work the credit that is much credit for actually what a big impact it has on our lives

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yeah yeah no I agree I think you know it's it's such we're so used to like compartmentalising our lives

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into life versus work right if one talks about work life balance and I really just really have never

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aligned or agreed with that principle because it's a blend and it is such a huge part of ourselves

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and as soon as we could find a better way to blend them I think that that's when the like the

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magic happens is because we accept that this is like a part of ourselves that we don't have to

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shut away when the day ends or but also that works the other way right like when you're struggling to

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find your impassion your passion and inspiration don't don't push it like give yourself go and have a

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bath or go for a walk in nature and like give yourself the break that you need because it's not about

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like just turning up to work and getting it done you want that work to be inspired so yeah yeah

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what you need to do it's funny isn't it as well because like we spoke a little bit about the

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the difference in turning down some work and then another like more work coming our way

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and actually the work that has come our way has felt like energetically so good and so different

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oh yeah so it's easier and that's not to say that we're not still working hard and like

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I don't know but it just it feels it feels like it's less work because because it feels good

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I think it's an genetic thing like it doesn't feel energetically draining it feels energising

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so therefore it feels like less work in a way because you want to do it like you want to turn up to

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it and you feel good and energised by doing it whereas when it's that kind of work that you're like

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oh I can't wait to get this done like that drags out right right yeah it really really does and

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yeah I think that would just be like I know I said it earlier but like my advice to anyone is really

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I do recommend writing that list of like what is draining you because I know I think it's

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sometimes hard to identify it straight away but I think you just have that feeling in your body

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where you like don't want to do something and then think about how how you can move away from that

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and focus on the other stuff that feels really good yeah totally and also like recognising that it's

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okay to have moments where something that you previously enjoyed doesn't feel enjoyable and taking

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the space you need like so often when we're talking to small business owners they're like swimming

00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,840
right like just like treading water trying to keep above everything and they're like oh I couldn't

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possibly have half an hour to myself before I start work I'm so busy you know I can't create

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another half an hour but what I would counter is that if you can find a way to create half an

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hour and work nine hours instead of nine and a half hours or whatever that looks like then the

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what the work that you will do in that nine hours will be completely different if you had pushed

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through rather than taking that time for yourself in the first place that's I think that's my biggest

00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:59,040
takeaway is that I kept thinking it will get better when this happens or when we achieve it

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when we reach this goal it will get better and then I can have a break and what I learned the hard

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way and would love to be able to prevent others from learning it like that too is it just doesn't

00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:17,200
there's always something when you run your own business and the thing you just have to do is find

00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:23,680
a way to stop and say no my business doesn't require me to be the sacrifice in fact that would be

00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,960
counterproductive so in order for my business to thrive I'm going to take half an hour for myself

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and do some of your whatever whatever it is that makes you feel good yeah and trial and error

00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,320
different things like I give anyone who's listening to this the challenge of for the next week

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spend a few minutes every day doing something different like go for a walk or take your coffee

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outside and listen to the birds while you have it in the morning or like read 10 pages of a really

00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,880
motivating inspiring book or just sit in silence with your legs up the wall for five minutes like

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whatever try something different every day and then right at the end of the day how your workday

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was and how that impacted your workday and then at the end of the week you can look back and go

00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:15,680
that day Wednesday was an amazing workday and this is what I did before I started so let me try

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and channel that every day and see if it can impact next week or next month or whatever

00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:30,240
yeah I think it's so important like we would I was saying earlier like you're almost building

00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:35,840
your own culture aren't you there like easier to do it for other people but this

00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:42,400
hard to do for yourself yeah but you are especially when you are a business owner you generally do

00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:49,440
you do actually have that flexibility to build your own work culture and your own life around your

00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:55,360
business I mean that's the main beauty of it right yeah so if you're not doing that and you're not

00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:05,680
enjoying it yeah try trying find things yeah well I feel like we haven't talked about perfection at all

00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:12,960
perfectionism but we have talked about lots so why don't we do that as a part two I think we

00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:20,000
probably need to because yeah I feel it is a whole different thing that we could talk about this is

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episode four part one and we'll do part two which is does perfectionism kill inspiration

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